Friday Before Lunch

Friday 27th?

Darren chairing

What are we doing today – options…. Jem’s task/ Alex’s task/ information for the group… Leah would like more action

Alex suggested Carrying on with Jem’s task because we began to evolve a way of processing the tasks.. either by talking before the task or talking after the task.. those two approaches were useful learning to continue…

PK- I’m aware that there hasn’t been very much sound in the space… I’d like to fill the space with sound..... to allow for contemplation..

Val – why doesn’t PK do a task connected to music..

PK - would like to see what is the impact after nine days of not having music in the space..

CV - I’d like us to speed up the process of ‘What If’s’

Group agreed that AM
CV - going to lead the overall task ..
Documenter - .Ruth
Dramaturgy - Scott
Chair Daren till lunch

PM
Documenter Rachel
Chair Valentina


Task

Still some to be heard……

Alex’s Question and task – “What if we were not to digress every time and shy away from reaching a conclusion’

Suggestion that this task is put into a discussion…. One minute each

CV- I don’t think we are digressing, I think we are exploring I think we are moving in and out of things.. I share your impatience.. I think its good to become more aware of how we are as people in a space….. I think this task is to have a conversation……

Ellie - I think sometimes we do reach conclusions and sometimes we don’t.. I don’t think its always necessary to reach a conclusion… cos other things are big.. and they throw up other questions.. From this questions it sounds like there is a conclusion.. cos if I knew that there was a conclusion then I would run to it.. sometimes I think its about not having a good brain.. I don’t think its anything to do with shying away I think its to do with my stupidity.

CV - Interesting when we set a time limit we run out of things to say…

RBT - I think there is a huge amount of judgement in that sentence. A negative implication and assumption around the word digress and conclusion.
I don’t appreciate you making a judgement on my behalf. Conclusion is not a full stop.

Rachel –Don’t really understand your ‘what if’ cos I find it hard to get my brain around it cos again I quite enjoy digressing and not reaching a conclusion I think that something this kind of environment of r and d engenders to foster… often I’ve done r and d cos it turns into extra rehearsal time, and not r and d

Scott - Yeah.I guess the way it cold be a less rhetorical question.. is it a rhetorical oh ok so tell me something specific an incidence that you could say … like this was digressive or this got discursive .. I felt like we got to this point then this would help me to participate in this question to objectify.

Darren - The question I feel very much there are emotional happening and I think that that is fine. For me its shifting into a different mind frame and that you don’t always have to come to a conclusion … and things might be better unsaid. I get frustrated if we reiterate and say it again in a different way ..those things where it keeps shifting back and forth .. its something very different to me…

Janusz – I think we are doing something different and I’m happy we are doing it.. we need thte time to do things and we have the right to make mistakes and I think we have things are difficult to do. And express and I like that.. I don’t think we are shying away and that things can be done differently. I am here to make mistakes and to work with them… rather than do them perfect straight away..

Val - I think for me the major question is what is a conclusion .. as a group or as a single person as individual going away and having a conclusion.. maybe by listening to other people there is digression and shying away .. but I think there might be a task here..


Nom - Smiling, biting pen.. laughter..

Leah - I don’t know …. …

Alex - I think that if the question if not come from me, it wouldn’t be seen as negative….. so digress and shy would not be seen as negative from someone else……. .. shy away and digress is not necessarily bad… from me they are literary descriptions of things… ‘every time’ is a general assumption… .. it was a

PK - What’s the definition of ‘digress’… moving away ..
RBT - Digress implies that there is something that there is to move away from …
CV - I feel like we are working in a web system rather than a linear system
Like a starting point then there are hundreds of different ways it evolves and spins to
Issues of judgement…. Opinion… conclusion….
I’d like to know if you think its crap/
Questions about judgement.
AC - I really think if you are a collective group of people who are making something together then maybe its ok to make a judgement
CV - There maybe something in there
RBT - It doesn’t feel useful in this context to say I like or I don’t like… it might be if we were making piece of work together…
CV - I don’t think its useful in this situation….. to have judgement. But I do know what he means, and we shouldn’t get too up our own arses

Time is away that it is possible to conclude and not digress…

SS- If we only do everything once then all we can do is feedback on that one event…
If we never do anything twice then I cant do anything and apply the learning ….

CV – So lets start again.. if we did 11 minutes then – with one minute each taking into account what has already been discussed and said…We seem to be in a process of choice making I’m interested in specificity and in the I don’t know.. I interested in Janusz calling it ‘mistakes’, I think it’s a question of language on so many levels… I don’t think people are responding to your personality Alex. I don’t think we need to ask if we are liked or not because of the questions we are asking. For me its about moving away from or leaning in to the question, the form…

Ellie- I think its difficult in general to talk about conclusions… in these four weeks I don’t think there is going to be a conclusion… so we are moving in and out of tasks and ideas cos we don’t really … its ok to stay on one task … there is no direction that we are doing but maybe we are finding smaller ones on the way…

PK-This practice what we are doing now its interesting the most from a language point of view… about how words can be effective or not effective… by words said by different person in a different circumstance… I;’ve got the super awareness about how many things this triggered in my head…. Im even further away..

RBT-Umm… I think that I did project onto your q that digress and shy away was negative but I also think that I picked up on the dissatisfaction you were expressing and responded to that– an energy of dissatisfaction that translated through the chosen words.. so its about language… hidden and direct….and questions about how we as a group how do we talk to each other – how do we share who we are and how we think

RK- I am trying to think of very visible very real times that I digress – if I am at home and I have to do a tax return and I do the laundry instead – I leave the subject because its a chore and not so pleasurable to do – I don’t feel like there’s been digression here for two weeks – everything is interrelated

SS- There is a something really interesting about language and the interpretation of language – is it about specificity or authority – that there will be some kind of digression – power responsibility or control


Darren
Silence…

Nom
Silence….

Leah
Silence…

Janusz- I think many times we go out to see a dance piece and we go out and say its rubbish its crap… do we really want to give ourselves… why we can just say that’s crap if we are doing it… why do we have to discuss the things… why is there a need to contemplate and to … and I think we should just move on from one things to another and try not to be stuck


Val - Why I chose this questions from Alex question… but I thought musically an American composer…. Where feel there is never and end… a conclusion I thought of as a collective end…. Its fantastic cos you feel like you are on the edge of something… and I guess you can spiral away or forwards… the conclusion …is..

Alex- I want to address a bit… what is for process… its not genesis. We are talking about a process… its about Charlotte’s process and this point in her career. To find a new language of devising work… I certainly don’t devise this way … so I’m here and I want to bring something to her process of looking for a language and I’m grateful that she takes my opinion into account. I’m here because I’m Alex and cos I talk shit and I’m impatient and she knows why I’m here…

RBT- But you are moving the energy with your impatience…
CV - Val … did you choose his questions… Alex said no you choose the question…
Do we want to have 2 mins. of reflecting what’s shifted.. or should we move on…
I would like to share tht I feel there is a new game which has evolved which is the silent coach game… seeing thinking and the presentation of the act of thinking,….

RK?- I find it interesting that what we all say is very personal as well… and that we’re very feeling… by that I mean that…. I don’t know when you are in discussions with people and people get upset … if somebody says something to me and people say don’t take it so personally how can you not take anything.. how can you not connect it to how you feel and who you are … as much personally that we take things the better… … we think by feeling what is there to know I hear my being dance from here to hear I wake from sleep and take my waking slow… I’m interested in who

AC - Bad/good/ shit… we end up talking about same things for 10 / 15 mins… everybody has a different take on what is going on in the room… we are not sharing a language at the moment… its about finding a language that is not so judgemental but that my personality is still there… I’m not wanting to revolutionise me but about how I am in a room and how that affects the process that we are engaged in….. we know our short hand but what we are engaged in here is a dissection of language… if you could say the same thing without saying crap … dancers often look to the person on the outside

RBT- What you think is not the same as an opinion…...

CV - With an outside eye .. it’s about trust… we’ve learnt to discuss things for hours… we are not trying to make anything….we are doing something… we are engaged in an action

RBT - Feels like we are going back…

Whether we have rules about time keeping………..and whether we keep them or not……

RK - hat if we spent day without stop clock…
We are introducing time or rules… that theme is inherent…
Its about how forms works for you…
I feel…

Ruth’s task. After discussion.

What if we have a similar set of instructions and just see different combinations of people doing it (i.e. different ages). Could the emotion be outside of it – in the audience? Could the emotional response of the seeing be more than the emotion happening in the task.
AC – we might need a much more specific set of instructions?
Ruth wanted to leave the instructions open so that there is more choice and options. Choices could be interesting with the diff combinations of people.
CV – most interesting was watching the choice making. Who chose to go first, whether they chose to comply.
PK – The setting perhaps influenced the task – the positioning of the papers on either side of the room.
CV –I enjoyed the intimacy of sustaining a hug for longer than feels natural with Nom.
DA – felt a slight disadvantage at not going with a child. More of a narrative by having the children involved. Do we simply project more on watching a child because it’s a child.

CV - Maybe when we watch children in space we are more empathetic as viewers. Is there less generosity when viewing adults. Can we approach watching adults with the same level of empathy, without judgement.

Ellie - I enjoyed watching the person getting the question and seeing if they wanted to do the question and how seeing the thought cross the persons face and how they react to instructions and how soon you stop. Action/inhibition questions.
Leah – I liked it because you can ask grown ups to do something (for a change).
Nom – wondered whether the adults acted differently when with children or with adults. Was it harder for the adults with children and do you act differently? .J – feels as though he treated Nom as an equal. S – might have been the same response for that particular question he was given by Leah. Its to do with what questions are chosen out of the options. A - hug and looking became reciprocal. Is it egotistical to have continues for really as long as he might have wanted? Felt conscious to move on. With adult he complied and then changed his mind.
RK – loved the first moment before the questions is asked? Something about the aliveness of it.
VF – Am I interested in the adult and child?
N- felt more relaxed because it was her sister. Another child might be diff to Leah.
PK – quite focused about the emotion theme. Some of the words were more broad and gave more choice as to the emotion in my head. Blurs adult and children together. More about choice of emotion and action.